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we've learned nothing.....This week marks the 50-year anniversary of the end of the U.S. war against the country and people of Vietnam. Americans refer to the war as the Vietnam War, but it was actually an American war. This war had a huge impact on me, my generation and, of course, the Vietnamese. Growing up in the 1950s and 1960s during the Cold War, we were inundated with anti-communism. I didn’t really know what a Communist was but I knew that they were bad and we were made to feel threatened by them. I believed that it was okay to kill the Communists before they could come to my country.
Reflections on the 50th Anniversary of the End of the Vietnam War
I was raised to believe that I lived in the best country in the world and, as a male, I owed my country military service. I knew that I would be joining the military after I graduated high school. During this time, the U.S. had a military draft. Military recruiters came to my school and all of the senior males went to the gymnasium to hear them. They told us that most of us would be drafted and sent to Vietnam right after graduation. They said if we signed up now in the Delayed Enlistment Program, we would receive more benefits. More benefits sounded good to me so I joined the United States Marine Corps (USMC) and three days after graduation I was at Parris Island boot camp, being trained to be a Marine. The training was unlike any experience that I ever had. The purpose was to beat the civilian out of us and forge us into Marines. It was very taxing but how are you to survive in war if you can’t survive the training? We prayed every night: “Another day in the Corps Sir, for everyday is a holiday and every meal is a feast. Pray for War, pray for war, God bless the Marine Corps, pray for war, God bless the drill instructors of 353, pray for war.” After boot camp, I went to Camp Geiger (North Carolina) for infantry training. Then I went to Camp Lejeune where I volunteered to go to “Nam.” During the training, I was taught that the job of a Marine “is to destroy the will of the enemy to resist the authority of the United States of America.” The way that you destroy their will is to make the price that they have to pay more than they can afford, no quarter. Next I went to staging at Camp Pendleton, California. There I had training in guerrilla warfare, mountain climbing, many different weapons, explosives, escape and evasion, first aid, tactics and, of course, much more physical training. Then to Okinawa for more of the same. During this training we were conditioned to see the Vietnamese as less than human, they were referred to as: Gooks, Slope-heads, Slant-eyes and Commies. At the time I did not realize that this was really racist. The conditioning for war is such that you do not want to see the enemy as human, deserving of empathy, because that might cause you not to react as quickly as you should when encountering others. It is interesting to note that we had no training in Vietnamese language or culture. I arrived in Vietnam on March 24, 1966. The Marines had landed there in September 1965. My attitude was that we were going to kick ass and be home in six months. My new unit was called Alpha North. As a new guy I was assigned to guard duty. On the night of April 18, 1966, while I was on guard, we were attacked and overrun by Viet Cong sappers. Out of 89 men, 5 of us were killed (KIA) and 28 wounded (WIA) and our base was devastated. The sappers lost about 40 men. There were ponchos covering the dead Marines. I looked under each poncho and, to my surprise, my first friend in the unit, William Terry Main, was dead. Main was from Florida as I was. My perspective changed that day. I realized that I was in a place where it was people’s job to kill me and my friends. There would be no timeout or do-overs; if I got killed that would be the end. I now hated the Vietnamese and I was going to get them back. There would be no empathy from me; I hated them all and I would kill as many of them as possible. The women were just Communist baby factories and their children would be a threat to my children. They were all just like rats and we would kill them all. We operated in our “TAOR,” Total Area of Responsibility. A battalion has four companies. Ours were Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, and Delta. As a Forward Observer I was attached to Charlie Company. Our designation was C-1-1, Charlie Company First Battalion First Marines, the first of the first. Our TAOR consisted of company areas and battalion headquarters. The company areas were: the Horseshoe, the Mud Flats (Dai Loc), the Island and the Sand Dunes. Each month we would rotate from one company to the next with one company rotating into the battalion headquarters. Our Official Tactics were based on three things: 1) We measured success by “Body Count.” We were taught that we would win if we killed ten Vietnamese for each American killed. We wanted to win so we killed as many as possible. When we killed or when we lost men we would say “We wasted” ___ Gooks today, or the Gooks wasted ___ of our guys today. I never realized how profound the word “wasted” was. 2) We operated in “Free Fire Zones” where we were allowed to kill everyone we encountered. 3) Our method of Operation was call “Search and Destroy.” On February 18, 1967, in Operation Stone, I was wounded for the first time by a “Bouncing Betty” mine in the Mud Flats. Just shrapnel that was not life threatening. On August 15, I lost my good friend Doug Dickerson. Doug was a tall, lanky Black Marine from New Jersey. He was a very nice person and we became close. We were on the Island. Doug had been wounded a few days before and was recuperating. On a 20-man patrol on the island, we lost nine KIA and eight WIA. The choppers could not get in to take people out so they dropped stretchers and told us to carry the people out. We did not have enough men to do that so they sent more men out to help us. Doug heard that we needed help so, even though he was recuperating, he volunteered to go out and help us. Doug was killed helping us. That was a really hard day for me. While I was at battalion, I was walking to the mess hall and someone said “Hey Scotty.” I was Sergeant Camil; no one called me Scotty. I turned around and there was John Richard Berrios, from high school. We hugged and I was surprised to see him. I did not know that he had joined the Marines. John was a year younger than me. He was the nicest person. Unlike me, he made good grades, didn’t skip school or get into fights. I wrote his parents and told them that I would take care of him. John was shot by a sniper on August 26 and died on November 27. I was really devastated. My Survivor Guilt is linked to John. When my tour was up, I extended it. The way that I was raised, I learned that a real man would never leave his friend in a fight, even if we were outnumbered. I didn’t want to leave my friends. I was wounded a second time on October 12, 1967, by a grenade, again just shrapnel that was not life threatening. In November it was time for me to come home but again I felt that that would be leaving my friends in a fight. I went to see the First Sergeant to extend. The first sergeant said “Sergeant Camil, you have had enough and you are going home.” I was so glad to be leaving Nam. I knew that I had had enough but I didn’t have the courage to admit it. After Nam, I had two years left in the Corps. I went to Europe, the Caribbean and schools such as Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare school, Embarkation school and Riot Control. I got out in July of 1969, started junior college in September and graduated with an AA degree in pre-law in December of 1970. Then I transferred to the University of Florida (UF) and started classes in January 1971. In January, Jane Fonda came to UF and spoke. I went to see her because she was a famous and attractive person. She said that we live in a democracy and, in order to function properly, the public needs access to the truth. She said that the public was being lied to by the government about the true nature of the war in Vietnam and that it was the duty of patriotic Vietnam veterans to inform the public of the truth. I thought, “I believe in democracy, I know they are lying about what we are doing in Nam and that the public is entitled to know what is being done in their name with their tax money in Nam,” so I went forward and gave them my name, my rank, branch of service and phone number. A few days later, I received a call from Michael T. Oliver and was invited to come to Detroit for the Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) in which soldiers testified about their commission of war crimes in Vietnam. It is important to note that, when I was invited, they had no idea about what my experiences in Nam were. The experience at Winter Soldier made me realize that the war was wrong. Until this time, I hated the anti-war movement. When I was in Nam I read a story in the Sea Tiger (a Navy publication). The story was about Joan Baez and her friends having a concert, collecting blood and sending it to North Vietnam through Canada. I was incensed that I could get killed by a Commie that had American blood in him. When I started college, I would wear my Marine Corps tropical shirt and I would purposely bump into demonstrators and try to pick fights. At the end of the Winter Soldier Investigation, Mike Oliver called a meeting of all of the veterans. At the meeting he said, “Well, what are we going to do about this?” We decided to make Vietnam Veterans Against the War a national organization. We divided the country into 28 regions and I became the Regional Coordinator for Florida, Alabama and Georgia. We worked very hard to write our objectives and I am including a screenshot below and a link to them because they are as important today as they were in 1971 (https://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=897my): Playboy magazine ran a free full-page ad about us and our membership swelled. I started organizing anti-war demonstrations and teach-ins. All of a sudden, I was getting arrested. At the end of six months, I had been arrested numerous times and was facing death plus 120 years in prison. It was the government’s aim to intimidate us so we would stop our anti-war activities. Trying to intimidate combat veterans did not work very well, in fact their attacks made us stronger. When you are working against a war and it continues, there is not a lot of positive reinforcement for your efforts. Getting arrested became my positive reinforcement. I thought that if they are trying to shut us up, then we must be on the right track. In 1975, the war finally ended and I started having a less controversial life, even though I was shot in the back by federal agents—there was a memorandum by J. Edgar Hoover calling for my “neutralization” as a threat to national security. I survived and seem to be very resilient. I was wounded twice in Nam, believing that I was defending the Constitution. And then I came home from “exercising those constitutional rights,” for which I bled. I had an opportunity to go back and visit Vietnam in 1990. I was able to visit my old battlefields. I went to Dai Loc, where I had been wounded the first time. In Dai Loc, there is a memorial for the 292 people we killed in Operation Stone. The people there knew that I was one of the Marines responsible for the deaths of those 292 people. There were no dirty looks, no animosity, nothing negative. I was treated like an old friend. The Vietnamese culture sure was different from my culture. I spent the day on my hands and knees putting three sticks of incense on each grave. Then I shot pool with a Vietnamese man in the village that had once been a Free Fire Zone. I like to say that I learned my conflict-resolution skills in the rice paddies of Vietnam. I work hard to keep them in abeyance. The person I am today stands on that foundation. I like the person I have become but I feel bad that my confidence was gained by the killing of people who were defending their families, their homes and their way of life from me, the foreign invader. In the end, 58,220 Americans died in Nam and 304,000 were wounded. According to Vietnam, more than three million Vietnamese died. There was a project called “Letters to the Wall.” You can read my letter here: Scott Camil: Country didn’t learn from sacrifices in Vietnam. There will be documentaries for the 50th anniversary of the end of the war. One of those documentaries is a six-part series for Apple TV about the Vietnam War called VIETNAM: The War That Changed America. Exact release date TBA. I am a participant in that series.
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Mark Tran
Boat people entering Britain from Vietnam in 1979 must have felt deep gratitude to Margaret Thatcher – but it was misplaced
Even for those who disliked Thatcher and her domestic policies, the decision to accept 10,000 Vietnamese stands out as an act of high statesmanship, even of nobility. The letter that Thatcher wrote to the Nguyen familty, which can be found on the Margaret Thatcher foundation website, showed that there was a beating heart in the Iron Lady. Those Vietnamese who were allowed to come to Britain to start a new life must have felt a deep sense of gratitude to Thatcher for acting as she did in 1979.
But 30 years on, she emerges in a much less flattering light, as revealed in newly-released Downing Street papers. The papers, released by the National Archives, showed that she only very reluctantly agreed to take the Vietnamese refugees and only did so after much arm-twisting by Lord Carrington, then foreign secretary, and William Whitelaw, then home secretary. These are the real heroes behind the decision by Britain to accept 10,000 Vietnamese refugees.
The number was first suggested by the UN high commissioner for refugees in Geneva, Paul Hartling, in advance of a UN conference to deal with the boat people crisis. By July 1979 more than 60,000 were in camps in Hong Kong, then still a British colony, and they were arriving at the rate of 500 a month. British merchant ships were continuing to pick up large numbers making the hazardous journey across the South China sea, where they risked attack from Thai pirates or death at sea.
When Downing Street got wind that the Sunday Telegraph was about to publish a story about Britain's willingness to accept the 10,000, its immediate reaction was to pooh-pooh the story. Thatcher's initial reaction was that "there are great difficulties in any further significant intake of refugees in the UK".
The papers make it quite clear that Thatcher was far from magnanimous. She warned of riots on the streets if Vietnamese refugees were given council housing. She even proposed jointly buying with Australia an Indonesian or Philippine island for the refugees, a plan that was blocked by Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore, who feared it might become a "rival entrepreneurial city". She also said "that she had far less objection to refugees, such as Rhodesians, Poles and Hungarians, since they could more easily be assimilated into British society".
Thatcher only relented because of pressure from Carrington – who had seen the camps in Hong Kong at first hand – and Whitelaw, who said 3,000 Vietnamese refugees a year could be accommodated in Britain without the need for extra camps. Whitelaw pointed out that most of the Conservative party favoured taking in the refugees as did all the junior ministers in the Home Office. He mentioned that his own correspondence indicated a shift of opinion in favour of accepting more refugees, prompting Thatcher's mean retort that those writing such letters "should be invited to accept one into their homes".
Despite his reputation as a wet, Whitelaw took a strong stand. "It is necessary that we should have a positive and defensible policy towards refugees from a brutal communist tyranny," the home secretary said. As for Carrington, he pointed out that Britain would look pretty bad if it did not come up with a signficant offer especially as the UN conference was Thatcher's idea to start with. Thatcher also came under strong international pressure. Menachem Begin, the Israeli prime minister, had written to Thatcher in June 1979 criticising her idea of a conference and suggested that each country accept a certain number of refugees as a way of dealing with "this horrific tragedy".
Eventually Thatcher relented and decided that yes, Britain would take 10,000 Vietnamese refugees. But as we now know, she had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting them. For those Vietnamese refugees who may have admired Thatcher and her stand in 1979, 30 years on it's clear that Carrington and Whitelaw are the people they should really thank.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/dec/31/margaret-thatcher-vietnam-boat-people
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agent orange....
Vietnamese Agent Orange Victims Remain Uncompensated. Tlaib Aims to Change That
By Marjorie Cohn / Truthout
Today marks 50 years since the end of the U.S. War in Vietnam, which killed an estimated 3.3 million Vietnamese people, hundreds of thousands of Cambodians, tens of thousands of Laotians and more than 58,000 U.S. service members. But for many Vietnamese, Laotian and Cambodian people; Vietnamese Americans; and U.S. Vietnam veterans and their descendants, the impacts of the war never ended. They continue to suffer the devastating consequences of Agent Orange, an herbicide mixture used by the U.S. military that contained dioxin, the deadliest chemical known to humankind.
The United States used Agent Orange as a weapon of war. From 1961-1971, the U.S. military sprayed toxins that contained large quantities of dioxin in order to destroy food supplies and improve visibility for the U.S. military by killing broad swathes of vegetation throughout southern Vietnam. As a result, many people have been born with congenital anomalies — disabling changes in the formation of the spinal cord, limbs, heart, palate, and more. This remains the largest deployment of herbicidal warfare in history.
In the 1973 Paris Peace Accords, the Nixon administration promised to contribute $3 billion for compensation and postwar reconstruction of Vietnam. But that promise remains unfulfilled. Although the U.S. has funded the cleanup of two of the largest dioxin-contaminated “hotspots” and there has been some remuneration for U.S. veterans, there has been none for the Vietnamese people, the intended victims of the deadly spraying.
Legislative Package Provides Compensation for Vietnamese and U.S. Veteran VictimsIn order to achieve justice for Agent Orange victims, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Michigan) introduced a legislative package on April 28. The Agent Orange Relief Act of 2025 provides for medical care and related assistance for Vietnamese victims of Agent Orange; provides additional environmental remediation for hotspots; and orders a health assessment and assistance to affected Vietnamese American communities.
Tlaib also introduced The Victims of Agent Orange Act of 2025, which provides benefits for children of male U.S. veterans who served in Vietnam affected by congenital anomalies; these children are unprotected by current law, which only covers congenital anomalies for children of women veterans. The bill also supports greater research into Agent Orange-related health issues and directs a health assessment and provision of assistance for affected Vietnamese American communities.
“Together, these two bills serve as an act of repair for the profound harms caused by the United States’ use of Agent Orange and other herbicides. Agent Orange exposure continues to negatively affect the lives of American veterans, Vietnamese people, Vietnamese Americans, and their children,” Tlaib stated in a press release. “The lives of many victims are cut short, and others live with disease, disabilities, and pain, which are often untreated or unrecognized. As we mark 50 years after the United States’ withdrawal from Vietnam, it is time to meet our moral and legal obligations to heal the wounds inflicted by these atrocities.”
The legislative package is co-sponsored by Representatives André Carson (D-Indiana), Sarah McBride (D-Delaware), Jerry Nadler (D-New York), Lateefah Simon (D-California) and Shri Thanedar (D-Michigan). The bills are endorsed by the Quincy Institute, Veterans For Peace, Vietnam Agent Orange Relief & Responsibility Campaign (VAORRC), CommonDefense.us, Minnesota Peace Project and Action Corps.
Tlaib told Truthout, “For there to be any justice for the war crimes committed in Vietnam, the United States must devote itself to repair: by cleaning these ongoing Agent Orange contamination sites, investing in the medical care of those affected, and removing unexploded ordnance.”
VAORRC, for which I serve as co-coordinator, assisted Tlaib in drafting the bills. In the congresswoman’s press release, Susan Schnall and Ngo Thanh Nhan, also co-coordinators of VAORRC, thanked Tlaib for introducing this important legislation.
Schnall, president of Veterans For Peace, said:
The United States government used Agent Orange as an instrument of war from 1961-1971 on Vietnam, its people, and American soldiers on the ground. As we commemorate the 50th anniversary of the end of the war in Vietnam, we celebrate these two pieces of legislation that promote healing for the American people and the Vietnamese people harmed, and cleanup of the contaminated land in Vietnam.
Ngo stated: “The Southeast Asian communities have victims of Agent Orange and were invisible to the public so far. These are very important acts for our communities in the U.S. to support and it takes great courage for Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib to show this example of solidarity.”
Between 2,100,000 and 4,800,000 Vietnamese, Lao and Cambodian people, and tens of thousands of Americans were exposed to Agent Orange/dioxin during the spraying operations. Many other Vietnamese people were or continue to be exposed to Agent Orange/dioxin through contact with the environment and food that was contaminated. Many offspring of those who were exposed have congenital anomalies, developmental disabilities, and other diseases. Second, third and fourth generation victims continue to suffer.
The Department of Veterans Affairs recognizes 19 diseases and illnesses to be associated with the spraying and use of Agent Orange by the U.S. military in Vietnam. They include AL Amyloidosis, bladder cancer, chronic B-cell leukemia, chloracne, type 2 diabetes mellitus, high blood pressure (hypertension), Hodgkin’s disease, hypothyroidism, ischemic heart disease, monoclonal gammopathy of undetermined significance (MGUS), multiple myeloma, Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma, Parkinson’s disease, Parkinsonism, acute and sub-acute peripheral neuropathy, porphyria cutanea tarda, prostate cancer, respiratory cancers and soft-tissue sarcomas.
Testimony of Agent Orange VictimsIn 2009, I served as one of seven judges from three continents on the International Peoples’ Tribunal of Conscience in Support of the Vietnamese Victims of Agent Orange in Paris. The panel heard two days of testimony from 27 witnesses, including Vietnamese and U.S. veteran victims, journalists and scientists. Some had visible disabilities due to their exposure to Agent Orange/dioxin.
Mai Giang Vu, who was exposed to Agent Orange while serving in the Army of South Vietnam, carried barrels of the chemicals in the jungle. His sons were unable to walk or function normally. Their limbs “curled up” and they could only crawl. By the age of 18, they were bedridden. One died at age 23, the other at 25.
Nga Tran is a French Vietnamese woman who worked in Vietnam as a war correspondent. She was there when the U.S. military began spraying chemical defoliants and a large cloud of the agent enveloped her. Shortly after her daughter was born, the child’s skin began shedding. She could not tolerate physical contact with anyone. The child never grew. She remained 6.6 pounds – her birth weight – until she died at age 17 months. Tran’s second daughter suffers from alpha thalassemia, a genetic blood disorder rarely seen in Asia. Tran saw a woman who gave birth to a “ball” with no human form. Many children are born without brains; others make inhuman sounds. There are victims who have never stood up. They creep and barely lift their heads.
Rosemarie Hohn Mizo is the widow of George Mizo who served in the U.S. Army in Vietnam. After refusing to serve a third tour, Mizo was court-martialed, received a dishonorable discharge and spent two-and-a-half years in prison. Before his death from Agent Orange-related maladies, Mizo helped found the Friendship Village where Vietnamese victims live in a supportive environment.
Jeanne Stellman, who wrote the seminal Agent Orange article in Nature, testified that “This is the largest unstudied [unnatural] environmental disaster in the world.”
Although a Biometrics study from 1965 showed that dioxin caused many birth defects in animal experiments, the U.S. military suppressed those findings. The results of the study were leaked in 1969 but the spraying of Agent Orange continued until 1971.
The tribunal found that “The damages caused to the land and forests, water supply, and communities and the ecosystems can legitimately be called an ecocide, as the forests and jungles in large parts of southern Vietnam have been devastated and denuded, and may either never grow back or take 50 to 200 years to regenerate.”
The Unfulfilled U.S. PromiseIn 2004, U.S. veteran and Vietnamese victims sued the chemical companies that knowingly manufactured Agent Orange and other herbicides, which they knew contained a lethal amount of dioxin. The victims were prohibited from suing the U.S. government because of sovereign immunity. Despite agreeing to compensate U.S. veterans in an earlier lawsuit for some illnesses caused by their exposure to Agent Orange and other herbicides, the U.S. government and the chemical companies claimed before the courts, and to this day, that no evidence supports a connection between exposure and disease.
Efforts by veterans’ groups and others to take care of U.S. vets produced a compensation scheme administered by the Veterans Administration. It annually pays out billions of dollars to veterans who can demonstrate that they were in a contaminated part of Vietnam and have an illness associated with Agent Orange exposure.
Shamefully, the Vietnamese people who were exposed to Agent Orange on a scale unheard of in modern warfare have been denied recompense.
After the 2009 Paris tribunal, while I was president of the National Lawyers Guild, I participated in a delegation to Vietnam to present our findings to President Nguyen Minh Triet. I told him I was baffled that even as U.S. bombs were falling on the Vietnamese people, they made a distinction between the U.S. government and the American people. The president responded, “We fought the forces of aggression, but we always reserved our love for the people of America … because we knew they always supported us.” He was referring to the powerful U.S. antiwar movement in which I was a proud participant.
The United States and Vietnam normalized relations 30 years ago following a 19-year trade embargo on the latter. “It’s taken decades to build the current level of mutual trust and cooperation between the United States and Vietnam,” George Black, author of The Long Reckoning, an examination of U.S.-Vietnam relations since the war, told The New York Times. “And the whole process has been underpinned by our willingness to deal with the worst humanitarian legacies.”
But Donald Trump has started a new war on Vietnam, a tariff war, imposing a 46 percent tariff rate (temporarily on hold as the two countries “negotiate”). The U.S. and Vietnam conduct $160 billion in annual commerce. And while the Vietnamese people commemorate 50 years since the end of the American war in their country, the Trump administration has ordered its senior diplomats in Vietnam to avoid participation in the commemoration events.
Just compensation for victims of Agent Orange is a moral imperative. People who support Tlaib’s legislation should contact their congressional representatives and urge them to sign on as additional co-sponsors.
https://truthout.org/articles/vietnamese-agent-orange-victims-remain-uncompensated-tlaib-aims-to-change-that/
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