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of democracy and wet lettuce...I like Lindsay Tanner... I met him a couple of times... He has a passion about things like one loves wet soggy lettuce. But he will persevere at flogging it... Tanner lives in Maybeland, the agnostic nether region of whatever maybe... What he has not understood yet is that politics is about the management of illusions and ideals while using hard cash. Labor's motivation is to promote the idea of equity and a fair go for all, including supporting the weak and the sick, in a social context using as much cash as possible from the rich. The Liberals (conservatives) motivation is to give everyone the illusion they can be richer with a conservative government while flogging the populous masses till they bleed, in order to extract more loot for the rich. The Greens promote the concept of a sustainable planet in a world where we're all frolicking naked in fields of flowers... Thus democracy is a shifty beast. I don't think Tanner talks to the same people than I do... There are plenty of convinced politicians out there who try their best to get things moving whichever side of the blanket they're on... To say that Labor has lost its soul is a bit rich... Especially when equity and the idea of equality means having to cleverly manage the small kitty since the rich are so mean. Especially when in the rest of the world, the kitty has been looted by the rich who still try to give the impression they suffered as much in the global financial crisis as the next garbo (garbage collectors)... Possibly. Garbos are important and necessary. Rich folks often are like leeches but we can't all be basket weavers. I bet you my bum dollar that these rich people got out rather well out of the crisis... As governments kept pumping more cash to replace the cash that has disappeared "no-one knows where"... the rich bums took their cut and, like clever baboons, loaded their cheeks and begged for more. Trying to manage things with a prancing clever baboon like Abbott on the other side of politics is not a piece of cake either...And let's be frank here... Most workers (the greater majority thereof) are reasonably well off in this country... Compared to say 40 years ago, people are more remunerated for their toils than then. Sure we can whinge... And there are pitfalls... If you're on the zero line, the real starting point is harder to reach. Take waterfront workers now... Say 60 years ago, they were so badly paid, pilfering was a way to support the family with extra meat on the table... You should hear the stories from the old-timers... organised like gangsters... Then, containers were invented for convenience of transportation — and to minimise the pilfering so to speak... Conditions changed — from people carrying bales of wool on their back, sweating all day for a pittance, going on strike for better conditions and wages under the leadership of unions that had a firm "closed" eye on the pilfering — to far fewer people needed for operating cranes and trucks... many scrounging bums found themselves on the scrap heap before time — and government had to help find ways of support. After the war (WWII) many governments in Europe had to find quickies to "repopulate' and under the doonah bribes were given to families to have kids and more kids... There, I present you of course, the "baby boomers"... Education had to be free and the whole process cost so much money that devaluations were rife — some countries just moving the currency decimal point two zeros to the left... Of course the rich knew the value of money was like that of toilet paper, thus their "investments" were in gold, in property and in luxury goods like Rembrandt paintings... But one cannot get the thieving monkey out of us so easily... The better off "we is", the more we shift to the right and the less we care about those who are in the gutter... It becomes "if I can do it, why can't they?" syndrome. Not realising that most of us do not get up there on our own but through a chaotic but protected social exchange of reciprocity. Not all have the ability to weave through it, nor the luck... It is often good luck that we succeed... Unfortunately, in this new context, our social organised caring falls down to the level of the business of charity in order to limit the guilt that start to creep at our uncouthness in our "soul". It's very religious of us. It's back to the 19th century. This is where Labor is at. It has to fight the obsolete ideas of the organised-labour past while maintaining a base of supporters who are less and less struggling on the waterfront so to speak and more interested in getting richer... Now the real point is can Labor still make us richer individually and collectively while maintaining a decorum of equality? because one thing is for sure, the Libs (conservatives) will make you and me poorer in order to preserve and augment the value in the equity of money for the rich, exclusively... Meanwhile we have to look after this planet. It's the only one we've got... Not so strangely, an alliance between the Greens and Labor is like a natural symbiosis in the making... Though this alliance has its tiffs and bum fights, it's the only way to deliver the future for most people while limiting the damage. We can already see the damage, idealistically and in your pocket, done by new State liberal (conservatives) governments hell-bent at increasing the value of the equity of money for the rich, ahead of the value of people — you... Under the Liberals, your place in the gutter beckons... Gus Leonisky
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the whatever of maybe...
Of course what I forgot to mention, according to some journos, Tanner and Gillard have a history of nor liking each other for whatever reason... I have no idea, only them can tell us if once they were... who knows, this is the whatever of maybe... Bugger.
Here is what Tanner thinks, may be:
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/labor-has-lost-its-purpose--and-soul-20120925-26jjk.html
At least Julia is "moving forward" in the minefield... two paces back, three paces forward, one pace to the left, half a pace to the right... No running, just moving with intent... And of all the people in politics, she is the best equipped to maintain equilibrium in these challenging times...
a plague of galahs...
"For goodness sake, if you want a case study of a political body without a soul, go to the Liberal Party," the Foreign Minister said in New York.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard also rejected Mr Tanner's views about Labor lacking purpose, and his criticisms of key policies.
Senator Carr, who was wooed out of retirement this year to join the Senate, said it was getting too easy to bag the Labor Party.
"If I were in retirement, if I hadn't taken this job, it would have been a pushover to have polished off another book, number 20, on what's wrong with the Labor Party. It's too easy," he said.
"I'm sure there is terrific analysis in Lindsay's book because Lindsay is very brainy. But it's got a bit too easy to write another book spelling what is wrong with the battered old Labor Party."
Senator Carr is in New York with Ms Gillard, pushing Australia's bid for a seat on the UN Security Council.
"We went through a stage where every galah in a pet shop had an opinion about what was wrong with the Labor Party," he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/galahs-need-to-stop-criticising-labor-says-carr-20120926-26k3w.html#ixzz27XLXq4Mt
read article at top...
And so it was...
And so it was that Lindsay Tanner, the man who decries the dumbing down of discourse, launched a blitz of promotional appearances in which he nobly called for a return to loftiness in political purpose, while simultaneously 'breaking his silence' on the political knife fight that brought Rudd down and elevated Gillard, his career-long foe from the grubby pit of enmity that is the Victorian ALP left.
As Tanner would well know, nothing quite fuels the soap opera sideshow of political media like personal vendettas played out in public.
And that's why suddenly we're talking ... not about the long lost process of grassroots policy formation, but - yet again - Kevin. And Lindsay, of course.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-26/green-do-we-really-need-to-talk-about-kevin/4281548?WT.svl=theDrum
Lindsay Tanner is stirring the mud so he can sell more books... He left politics so he should stay out of it... He was too much of a coward to face an electorate prepared to dump him for the Greens... That still hurts, yet he had no ticker...
trivia question...
Former Labor minister Lindsay Tanner hit the book tour circuit this week, stirring up memories of Kevin Rudd's sacking. But was Rudd's departure so unorthodox? Barrie Cassidy says Australian politics is far more unpredictable than the media accepts, and far less routine and orthodox than the public presumes.
Here's a trivia question that I suspect will trip up most Australians.
Of the 11 prime ministers since Robert Menzies, how many first came to office in the traditional way, by winning a federal election?
The majority or a minority?
The answer is four – just four of the 11 since Menzies retired on Australia Day in 1966.
They were Gough Whitlam in 1972, Bob Hawke in 1983, John Howard in 1996 and Kevin Rudd in 2007.
Of the rest, six of them - Harold Holt, John McEwen, John Gorton, Billy McMahon, Paul Keating and Julia Gillard - first made it to the Lodge either by winning a party room ballot or securing the endorsement of the party room between elections.
A seventh – Malcolm Fraser – was uniquely elevated by the Governor General.
Since 1966 therefore, it has been the exception rather than the rule that the people decide who should be prime minister.
Australian politics is far more unpredictable than the media accepts, and far less routine and orthodox than the public presumes.
Yet the most cursory attention to talk back radio will emphatically tell you that voters have a powerful view on this. It is their will that should prevail, and not the judgment of MPs between elections.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-28/cassidy-prime-ministerial-trivia/4284398?WT.svl=theDrum
rough end of a hawaiian pineapple...
Meanwhile, rumours apparently originating within the UN have circulated that Mr Mathieson was the source of the stomach bug that felled Ms Gillard on Monday.
But Ms Gillard, still trying to shake off the illness, yesterday rejected the idea that her partner was responsible.
Indeed, he had not fallen ill. But several others in the prime ministerial delegation have been ill all week and suspicion being aimed at the food that was loaded on to the prime ministerial plane when it stopped in Hawaii to refuel.
Mr Mathieson has kept a low profile in New York this week. His most significant outing was accompanying the Prime Minister to the new September 11 ground zero memorial last night, where the couple paid their respects to the victims of the terror attack, including 10 Australians.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/our-first-bloke-makes-un-history-20120928-26p68.html#ixzz27lDBcTT5