Thursday 21st of October 2021

he did not stop these...


The Chinese embassy in Canberra has rejected what they call "unfounded accusations" against China by the defence and foreign ministers of Australia and their US counterparts after annual talks in Washington.

Key points:
  • China responds angrily to Australia-US joint statement criticising Beijing on issues like Hong Kong and Xinjiang

  • The joint statement came a day after Australia announced a deal to acquire nuclear submarines in partnership with the US and UK

  • The deal is widely perceived to be aimed at countering China's territorial expansion in the Asia Pacific 

The two countries on Friday, in a statement after Australia-US ministerial consultations, expressed concern over China's "expansive maritime claims in the South China Sea that are without legal basis", and stated their intention to strengthen ties with their "critical partner" Taiwan.

"This petty move to put pressure on China will be of no avail but a staged farce," a spokesperson for the Chinese embassy in Canberra said in a statement.

The comments from Australia and the United States came a day after they announced a nuclear submarine deal as part of a security partnership that includes Britain, which China denounced as intensifying a regional arms race.

Australia and the US also criticised China's imposition of national security legislation in Hong Kong last year that they said had weakened its electoral system, suppressed media freedom, and undermined the former British colony's "one country, two systems" formula, agreed when it returned to Chinese rule in 1997.


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As these guys use their arse as a thinking platform, things are going to be awkwards...


a scum deal...

All tactics, no strategy. The complaint about Scott Morrison has framed his leadership among a legion of critics who see the Prime Minister as a marketing man with a black hole in his political soul because he lacks the conviction to put his fate on the line to change the nation.

Labor has a tag for Morrison and wants it to stick: he is the “ad man” who can spin a story without building a stronger Australia or leaving a legacy when he is gone.

But the easy attack lines do not fit so neatly with a new defence pact that is meant to guarantee Australian security for another generation. Morrison has made sweeping decisions in the coronavirus pandemic, shutting borders and spending billions, but none is like the move to bolt Australia to the United States and the United Kingdom and build a new fleet of nuclear submarines.


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"meant to guarantee Australian security for another generation????"



These "nukular" submarines are already obsolete if they don't carry nuclear warheads. SIMPLE. Make your brains work. The technology of spotting submarines is such that unless one is in deep waters and MORE THAN 500 miles away, a seeking missile can find one in two seconds flat, penetrate under water and blow up the fuckkoor, whether it's conventional or nukularly powered. Equipped with torpedoes and a few popguns, these Aussie nukular subs could not be further than 40 miles from a target in good weather to hit it with a success of 5 per cent...


May as well be elastic band powered. Imagine, during WW2, the allies developed ways to find German U-boats before the end of the war. Don't think that the technology of pin-pointing subs under the sea has not improved 75 years or so later. The Ruskies know. The US know. That 's why theirs are equipped with 2,000 miles range nuke-heads... No, these Aussiescum subs — a snub to the French — are as useless as leaky buckets or plastic hopping mechanical toy kangaroos, whether they are the French ones or the American ones. The new deal isn't about "defence" but about tightening alliances with the five eyes monster. THE FRENCH SHOULD BE PISSED OFF. Europe should tell the Yankees to pissoff... Time for NATO to be sunk.



the pocketeers...


By Michael Pascoe


Australia’s nuclear-powered submarine policy was not an immaculate conception. Put another way, submarines are not just bought – they are also sold.

Coverage of our botched and bungled defence spending – culminating as it has in multiple diplomatic failures, writing off billions of dollars on French submarines and announcing open cheques for British and American manufacturers – has tended to treat the latest sorry saga as if it was all Scott Morrison’s idea.

A moment’s thought about Mr Morrison’s skill set and that of the Coalition’s revolving door of defence ministers should put that to rest.


Whether it’s a federal contract for photocopying machines or submarines, there are armies of salespeople and lobbyists at work. And navies of them, too.

Given the size of the mega-contracts tossed around by Defence, they are always working hard in multiple ways, not the least of which is offering ideas, proposing “customer solutions”, using contacts, being helpful, smoodging, lobbying, positioning.

It’s not necessarily altruism that has the obvious suspects donating to the War Memorial and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

Easy access

Contrary to all the reporting, the British and American governments won’t be selling Australian nuclear-powered submarines.

They’re merely allowing us to buy them from various very large, very rich and very influential private companies.

BAE Systems, for example. It’s a company so embedded in the Australian government that it doesn’t even bother to employ a lobbyist – or at least it doesn’t show up as a client of a lobbyist on the government’s lobbyist register.

BAE builds the sort of nuclear-powered submarines Australia now wants to buy.

It has been in BAE’s interest – along with that of its American partners such as Northrop-Grumman – to suggest Australia would be better served by having nuclear-powered submarines than the diesel-powered we supposedly thought superior just a few years ago.


For the Anglo-American arms salespeople, the French Naval Group is the enemy.

If a diplomatically hapless American client state can be convinced to kneecap Naval’s biggest international contract, that is winning a sales war.

Despite efforts to recruit local influencers – ASPI chairman and former Chief of Army Ken Gillespie was appointed as an independent director of Naval Group Australia – the French are relative outsiders in the cosy Australian defence government/industry amalgam.

For a start, they speak the wrong language. As the Five Eyes group and last week’s Biden/Boris/Thatfella show demonstrated to the world and particularly Asia, we’re first, foremost and always Anglo.

Having started, the French were a long way behind on the embedded status that comes from industry/government fungibility.

Quick examples:

Influential advice

BAE was not only already in the door, it’s building the walls as Australia’s biggest defence company with, among other things, the $35 billion frigates program.

BAE identified Australia earlier this century as a prime growth arms market.

One of the other four members and chair of the future submarine evaluation panel was Professor Donald Winter, head of Northrop-Grumman Mission Systems until President Bush nominated him as US Navy Secretary in 2005, a position he held until 2009.

In 2016, Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne appointed Professor Winter as chair of the Naval Shipbuilding Advisory Board.

“The advisory board will provide expert, independent advice to government on all aspects of naval shipbuilding as plans are finalised for establishing and sustaining a viable, continuous naval shipbuilding capability in Australia,” Mr Pyne said at the time.

In March this year, the board was abolished.

The ABC reported a new cabinet committee had been formed, chaired by the Prime Minister, “to tackle problems with Australia’s multibillion-dollar naval shipbuilding plan as more concerns emerge over the complex future submarine and frigate projects”.

And Professor Winter “is now working as special advisor to Prime Minister Scott Morrison”.

There is no suggestion any individual has acted in any inappropriate way. Close relationships are inevitable in government/industry interactions, especially in a specialised area like defence.

Competition of ideas and strategies

Government policy is developed in nothing like a vacuum, whether it is privatising nursing home care, buying vaccines or flipping submarine policy.

The efforts to influence that policy are manifold, including seeding media coverage to suit.

It’s the competition of ideas and strategies and salespeople the public rarely sees.

That multifaceted competition has resulted in bipartisan support by our major political parties to increase the purchase of defence equipment that cements our loss of sovereignty, that leaves the operation of Australia’s two biggest defence programs beholden to a foreign power.

Our very expensive joint strike fighters only work with America’s approval and co-operation. Ditto now for the future submarines.

True costs still to emerge

To paraphrase a point Laura Tingle made on Saturday, we have locked in our defence policy with a country that was capable of electing Donald Trump as president, a country that could do so again, or even much worse. (I forget who it was who first opined that the next “Trump” will be smarter and therefore much more dangerous.)

On Insiders on Sunday, the Nine newspapers’ Peter Hartcher – a hardcore hawk on China – spelt out the point of the nuclear subs deal is for the Royal Australian Navy to join with Japan in supplementing the US Navy to keep China’s subs bottled up in the South China Sea in the event of hostilities.

That’s the real price of the deal, whatever the dollars end up being.

The last time a major Australian political party professed independent foreign policy was 18 years ago when Labor, led by Simon Crean, opposed involvement in the Iraq invasion without a UN mandate.

Since then, “sovereignty” has been little more than a word used to talk up national security fears. And fear sells.


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Note: Pocketeers? People who pocket money, of course...

take this, froggy!

Canberra’s long-term interests are “best served” by a military partnership with Washington and London rather than by its previous deal with Paris, the Australian PM has said, claiming the French vessels were not good enough.