Wednesday 17th of April 2024

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hit and miss...

Malcolm is throwing everything at it.

 

From John Passant:

 

 

Income tax – back to 1915 with Malcolm Turnbull

Australia first had Commonwealth and State income taxes in 1915. It is a special type of conservative leader who can propose taking us back a century and claim it is a visionary policy, something for the future. It is nothing of the sort.

While the details are not yet clear, it appears that what Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is proposing is cutting health and education grants to the States and Territories and as a consequence cutting federal income tax, and saying to the states and Territories that they can set their own income tax rates to make up the shortfall.

The Turnbull government has followed the Abbott government and its 2014 Budget. That Budget trumpeted it “will achieve cumulative savings of over $80 billion by 2024-25”. The ‘savings'(aka cuts) by then would be a bit over $50 billion from health spending and a bit under $30 billion from schools. What Turnbull’s tax sleight of hand does is lock in those cuts (with perhaps a few crumbs from the table to buy off the Premiers and Chief Ministers before the election) and shift the blame for cuts to health and education from the Commonwealth to the States and Territories.

The proposals will present real problems for the poorer States, Tasmania and South Australia, and for the Northern Territory. At the moment the richer States and the ACT subsidise them. This ensures, to some extent, except for those in rural areas and especially for Aboriginal people in remote communities, that Australians receive equivalent standards of health care and schooling irrespective of where they live. The Turnbull tax trashing would undermine that.

Tasmania and South Australia are poorer than New South Wales and Victoria. They don’t have the same population or industry base to be able to fund health and education to the same extent as the richer states, unless they increase taxes. Given their population is poorer relative to other States this means the impact of any poor State income taxes will be to make the overall tax system more regressive. This possible tax burden itself might drive younger people to the wealthier states.

The alternative of course is for these poorer States and the Northern Territory to cut health and education funding so we end up with three tier education and health systems, namely private schools and hospitals, public schools and hospitals in the richer states and public schools and hospitals in the poorer States.

But the pressure in the richer states and the ACT will also be to cut funding to deliver lower individual tax rates. This tax competition will lead to a race to the bottom – an ever worsening health and education systems and lower and lower State and Territory taxes.

In the 1970s both States and the Commonwealth levied estate and gift duties (i.e. death duties). In 1977 Queensland Premier Joh Bjelke Petersen abolished the duties in Queensland. The other States feared residents, especially older ones, would move to Queensland. Tax competition forced them to abolish their death duties and abandon the revenue from them. Malcolm Fraser went to the 1977 Federal election with a promise to abolish Commonwealth estate and gift taxes and on re-election did so in 1978.

Something similar may well happen if the States and Territories have the ability to set income tax rates. It would take only one latter day economic Joh to cut income tax in his or her State to set in place a race to the bottom. The consequence would not be economic benefits – a caged pet rate running on a hamster wheel goes nowhere – but less money for health and education spending.

There are other problems. With eight states and territories competing on income tax rates there will be a lot of tax arbitrage and avoidance around residence and source. What rules will be in place for a New South Wales resident earning income in Victoria? What about FIFO workers? What about workers in Tweed Heads who live in Queensland? Albury residents who work in Wodonga? On and on this stupid Turnbull idea goes.

Not only that but the proposal appears to apply only to personal income tax rates, not company tax rates. (Does it cover trusts too? Who knows?) If it is good enough for salary and wage earners why isn’t it good enough for companies Mr Turnbull? More importantly about 2 in 3 small businesses from memory are unincorporated. You could imagine one or more states doing special small business relocation rates, a la Singapore or Luxembourg, to entice them if possible to their jurisdiction.

Maybe some unincorporated business will incorporate to avoid paying State r Territory income tax.

The new regime will be a nightmare for businesses with employees in different States and Territories. There will presumably be slightly different rates between different jurisdictions so they will have to take out different tax amounts from their employees’ wages depending on which jurisdiction they live in, or perhaps work in.

Even if they are only in one State or Territory the remitting of the base income tax amount from their employees’ wages will be to the Commonwealth, with the top up going to the State or Territory.

There is something else in this Turnbull tax trashing. The PM calls it a fundamental reform. Yet it is only tax rates he is devolving to the States and Territories. If he were serious about tax competition (he isn’t) he’d allow them to develop their own tax bases. That was the situation from 1915 till 1942. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

There was a centralisation of tax in the hands of the Commonwealth in 1942 for a number of reasons. It was to pay for the war effort. It was to make those living in low tax States pay more for the war effort. It was to expand the Commonwealth government and its role in the economy.

Now Turnbull wants to tun back time. Capitalism has changed fundamentally and a return to 1915 is a retrograde step for workers, and for Turnbull’s beloved capitalist class.

We workers shouldn’t fall for this pea and thimble trick of higher taxes or underfunded school and hospital systems. There is an alternative – tax those many big businesses avoiding tax and tax the rich.

Maybe the $24 billion Turnbull is going to spend on planes that don’t work and the god knows how many billions he is going to spend on submarines could instead better fund public schools and hospitals.

 

John is a former Assistant Commissioner of Taxation in the Australian Tax Office. He was in charge of international tax reform. He has also been a tax academic although his 30 non-interviews for tax academic jobs in the last 5 years tells him 62 year old socialists are not in much demand in the conservative tax academy.

 

http://enpassant.com.au/2016/03/30/income-tax-back-to-1915-with-malcolm-turnbull/...

pathetic malcolm...

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is expected to offer the states and territories about $3 billion today as extra funding for their hospitals.

Key points:
  • Most premiers say they need more hospital funding than PM is offering
  • Turnbull offering $3 billion until 2020 for hospitals with no extra money for schools
  • Federal treasurer says states and territories could fund half of schools' costs through income tax
  • Labor says plan could lead to two-tiered school education system

Most of the premiers and chief ministers are pushing for much more, arguing the Federal Government should restore the $80 billion they expected until the Abbott government's 2014 budget.

South Australia's Labor Premier Jay Weatherill said it was positive to be talking about a contribution from the Commonwealth.

"But the sort of numbers that we are hearing are really quite pathetic," Mr Weatherill said.

Despite the pressure, Mr Turnbull is expected to limit his offer at today's Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting to about $3 billion until 2020 for hospitals, with no extra money for schools.

And he will ask premiers and chief ministers to agree to keep negotiating on his radical tax sharing plan.

Mr Turnbull's proposal is expected to mean the Commonwealth would cut its income rate by 2 per cent and the states would then impose a tax of the same amount they could spend how they want.

Treasurer Scott Morrison said that represented about $14 billion.

Mr Morrison said the states and territories would not be allowed to lift their income tax rate for some years.

"Well, I can give that absolute guarantee for the next term of Parliament and for the entire transition period over which this would apply," he told 7.30.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-01/turnbull's-$3-billion-hospital-funding-offer-labelled-pathetic/7290634

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Mr Turnbull on Friday turned the decision back on state and territory leaders, emphasising that tight budget conditions meant improvements to infrastructure and services would have to be made using the available revenue.

"We have to live within our means, that much is clear," he said. "There will be no raising of income tax. The states will not be levying an income tax and the Commonwealth will not be increasing income tax."

Mr Turnbull insisted the agreement to consider sharing income tax was still "an important step" in reforming the federation. "It will give the states greater financial autonomy to do their job of managing their affairs," he said.

Leaders agreed to a Commonwealth proposal for "Healthcare Homes", a new model of primary healthcare in which chronically ill patients would be encouraged to appoint a GP to take responsibility for their co-ordinated care. The aim was to reduce the number of unnecessary hospital visits made by patients with chronic illnesses such as diabetes.

The Commonwealth will also provide an extra $2.9 billion in hospital funding from July 1, 2017 to June 30, 2020.

State and territory leaders welcomed that commitment, although Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said it did not make up for billions of dollars he said had been withdrawn from the health budget under the former Abbott government.

"Hundreds of millions of dollars of extra funding for Victorian hospitals does not replace billions of dollars that have been taken away from Victorian hospitals," Mr Andrews said.

Northern Territory Chief Minister Adam Giles, an early sceptic of the state income tax levy idea, said it would have been better if the proposal "came out in a different format and in a different way".

The plan was reported in national newspapers on Wednesday and then confirmed, in detail, by the Prime Minister at a doorstop interview.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coag-premiers-reject-malcolm-turnbulls-push-to-allow-states-to-levy-income-tax-20160401-gnw4pc.html#ixzz44Y56PdwF
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